5 round Swiss system Winboard tournament results (44 program

[James Swinney]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: James Swinney at 17 April 2000 19:58:37:
Here is the URL to my 5 round Swiss that featured 44 of the latest versions of
all winboard engines (THAT I HAD ACCESSS TO!!). I know Swiss system pairings are
pretty lame but in the U.S they rule. All details are on the web page.
http://members.xoom.com/wfl74/chess_main.htm
James Swinney

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 17 April 2000 21:35:11:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: 5 round Swiss system Winboard tournament results (44 programs competed) geschrieben von: / posted by: James Swinney at 17 April 2000 19:58:37:

Here is the URL to my 5 round Swiss that featured 44 of the latest versions of
all winboard engines (THAT I HAD ACCESSS TO!!). I know Swiss system pairings are
pretty lame but in the U.S they rule. All details are on the web page.
http://members.xoom.com/wfl74/chess_main.htm
James Swinney

Interesting tournament with some surprising results. Comet and GNUChess4 are coming out in a way I didn't expect. Thanks for your effort.
BTW: I think your web page is designed very well. Reduced to the information, nothing of this java, javascript, gif, wav, asp stuff I'm forced to visit so often.
Volker

[U.Türke]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: U.Türke at 18 April 2000 10:34:23:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: 5 round Swiss system Winboard tournament results (44 programs competed) geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 17 April 2000 21:35:11:

Here is the URL to my 5 round Swiss that featured 44 of the latest versions of
all winboard engines (THAT I HAD ACCESSS TO!!). I know Swiss system pairings are
pretty lame but in the U.S they rule. All details are on the web page.
http://members.xoom.com/wfl74/chess_main.htm
James Swinney

Interesting tournament with some surprising results. Comet and GNUChess4 are coming out in a way I didn't expect. Thanks for your effort.
BTW: I think your web page is designed very well. Reduced to the information, nothing of this java, javascript, gif, wav, asp stuff I'm forced to visit so often.
Volker

I am afraid that 5 rounds are too less to get some reliable results in view of the large list of participants.
Uli

[WYx]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: WYx at 18 April 2000 11:04:28:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: 5 round Swiss system Winboard tournament results (44 programs competed) geschrieben von: / posted by: U.Türke at 18 April 2000 10:34:23:

[Gabor Szots]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Gabor Szots at 18 April 2000 11:12:38:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: 5 round Swiss system Winboard tournament results (44 programs competed) geschrieben von: / posted by: James Swinney at 17 April 2000 19:58:37:

Here is the URL to my 5 round Swiss that featured 44 of the latest versions of
all winboard engines (THAT I HAD ACCESSS TO!!). I know Swiss system pairings are
pretty lame but in the U.S they rule. All details are on the web page.
http://members.xoom.com/wfl74/chess_main.htm
James Swinney

Hello James,
Thanks for your effort and the interesting results. I'm happy to see that you used seeding for the first round. That makes results more reliable.
I think the freak results (e.g. that of Comet) can be partly attributed to the rather short time control and the low number of rounds.
Best regards,
Gabor

[Aaron]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Aaron at 18 April 2000 12:08:18:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: unreliable results...too less Rounds are...(must min 10 Rounds for 44 Programs) geschrieben von: / posted by: WYx at 18 April 2000 11:04:28:
5 rounds swiss for 44 engines..Why not just play another round or two more..

[James Swinney]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: James Swinney at 18 April 2000 17:01:14:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: unreliable results...too less Rounds are...(must min 10 Rounds for 44 Programs) geschrieben von: / posted by: Aaron at 18 April 2000 12:08:18:

5 rounds swiss for 44 engines..Why not just play another round or two more..

Well, I only planned on 5 rounds from the begining and with Crafty starting slow (draw in the 1st round) and coming back to beat 4-0 Gromit for 1st place in the last round seemed a fitting end for the tournament to me. Not to mention that some of the games played by the bottom of the field being almost too painfull to watch!. I do agree that 5 games is not enough to fully judge a programs strength as anything can and will happen in a few games but, looking at the ratings that were assigned before the tournament and how they finished I was very much pleased with how things went. There were very few major upsets, Comet, Crux and Gnuchess_414 played below their expected output but in any tournament computers and humans will do that sometimes.
I will run another one of these with a smaller field and longer time controls.
James Swinney

[Aaron]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Aaron at 19 April 2000 15:23:04:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: unreliable results...too less Rounds are...(must min 10 Rounds for 44 Programs) geschrieben von: / posted by: James Swinney at 18 April 2000 17:01:14:

5 rounds swiss for 44 engines..Why not just play another round or two more..

Well, I only planned on 5 rounds from the begining and with Crafty starting >slow (draw in the 1st round) and coming back to beat 4-0 Gromit for 1st place >in the last round seemed a fitting end for the tournament to me.
There were very few major >upsets, Comet, Crux and Gnuchess_414 played below >their expected output but in >any tournament computers and humans will do that >sometimes.
I will run another one of these with a smaller field and longer time controls.
James Swinney

Well as many have pointed out, here and in CCC, you need a minimum of 6 rounds to handle 44 engines..Also, while the result might be fitting for Crafty, some like Comet i suspect will do quite respectably if you had one more round..
Comet in my view was just unlucky to lose to Inmnichess and bringer I think, both knocking on the door towards the elite group..Comet would probably win the next game if there was one and end up in a respectable position..

True..

That might be better..