A few questions about the Winboard Rating List

[paul bedrey]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: paul bedrey am 04. November 1999 16:25:31:
I understand that the Nimzo Winboard engine you used is private. Does this
engine equate to any of the chessbase Nimzo engines(Nimzo 98, Nimzo99a, Nimzo 7.32)? I'm trying to compare your ratings to those of SSDF. It looks like
yours are about 100 pts lower which is not unreasonable since you are playing
1 minute a move to their 3 minutes. I'm sure ponder=off will diminish the
strength somewhat too, any idea by how much?
Thanks

[Frank Quisinsky]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Frank Quisinsky am 04. November 1999 21:52:48:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: A few questions about the Winboard Rating List geschrieben von:/posted by: paul bedrey am 04. November 1999 16:25:31:

I understand that the Nimzo Winboard engine you used is private. Does this
engine equate to any of the chessbase Nimzo engines(Nimzo 98, Nimzo99a, Nimzo 7.32)? I'm trying to compare your ratings to those of SSDF. It looks like
yours are about 100 pts lower which is not unreasonable since you are playing
1 minute a move to their 3 minutes. I'm sure ponder=off will diminish the
strength somewhat too, any idea by how much?
Thanks

Hello,
I play not enough games with Nimzo 98, 99 or 7.32 ! But I believe that Nimzo 7-32 is stronger than Nimzo 2000a. Wolfgang Zugrav (Nimzo Team) wrote 30 ELO and I think 25-50 ELO !
OK, the Nimzo ELO in the SKQ rating list and in the SSDF is the same, chance !
I think that ponder is 20-30 ELO, not more. Many other chess friends wrote 50-100 ELO. In the last months is this theme in all fori popular. Not for me, I wrote many messages and I have enough )
Ed Schröder and Robert Hyatt say 50-100 or more ELO ! Other programmers say not more than 50 ELO ! The second problem is the time controlling by ponder=off ! The engines calculate ponder hits and without ponder hits is the time controlling not correct. But I see not problems and think that is not more then 10-20 ELO by longer time controls.
Right is, that for engine-engine matches are two computer better. And when Ed wrote that matches on one PC are the Formel 2 is this (unfortunately) right.
I like good Formel 2 race !
Kind regards
Frank

[Inmann Werner]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Inmann Werner am 05. November 1999 13:35:46:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: Ponder or not Ponder is my favorit question ) geschrieben von:/posted by: Frank Quisinsky am 04. November 1999 21:52:48:

I understand that the Nimzo Winboard engine you used is private. Does this
engine equate to any of the chessbase Nimzo engines(Nimzo 98, Nimzo99a, Nimzo 7.32)? I'm trying to compare your ratings to those of SSDF. It looks like
yours are about 100 pts lower which is not unreasonable since you are playing
1 minute a move to their 3 minutes. I'm sure ponder=off will diminish the
strength somewhat too, any idea by how much?
Thanks

Hello,
I play not enough games with Nimzo 98, 99 or 7.32 ! But I believe that Nimzo 7-32 is stronger than Nimzo 2000a. Wolfgang Zugrav (Nimzo Team) wrote 30 ELO and I think 25-50 ELO !
OK, the Nimzo ELO in the SKQ rating list and in the SSDF is the same, chance !
I think that ponder is 20-30 ELO, not more. Many other chess friends wrote 50-100 ELO. In the last months is this theme in all fori popular. Not for me, I wrote many messages and I have enough )
Ed Schröder and Robert Hyatt say 50-100 or more ELO ! Other programmers say not more than 50 ELO ! The second problem is the time controlling by ponder=off ! The engines calculate ponder hits and without ponder hits is the time controlling not correct. But I see not problems and think that is not more then 10-20 ELO by longer time controls.
Right is, that for engine-engine matches are two computer better. And when Ed wrote that matches on one PC are the Formel 2 is this (unfortunately) right.
I like good Formel 2 race !
Kind regards
Frank

Hallo Frank!
Jetzt hast du endlich die richtige Einstellung zu der ganzen Ponder Sache
Gelassen nehmen, durchatmen, und die tolle Arbeit weitermachen!!!
Werner

[Frank Quisinsky]

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Frank Quisinsky am 09. November 1999 08:23:43:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: Ponder or not Ponder is my favorit question ) geschrieben von:/posted by: Inmann Werner am 05. November 1999 13:35:46:

I understand that the Nimzo Winboard engine you used is private. Does this
engine equate to any of the chessbase Nimzo engines(Nimzo 98, Nimzo99a, Nimzo 7.32)? I'm trying to compare your ratings to those of SSDF. It looks like
yours are about 100 pts lower which is not unreasonable since you are playing
1 minute a move to their 3 minutes. I'm sure ponder=off will diminish the
strength somewhat too, any idea by how much?
Thanks

Hello,
I play not enough games with Nimzo 98, 99 or 7.32 ! But I believe that Nimzo 7-32 is stronger than Nimzo 2000a. Wolfgang Zugrav (Nimzo Team) wrote 30 ELO and I think 25-50 ELO !
OK, the Nimzo ELO in the SKQ rating list and in the SSDF is the same, chance !
I think that ponder is 20-30 ELO, not more. Many other chess friends wrote 50-100 ELO. In the last months is this theme in all fori popular. Not for me, I wrote many messages and I have enough )
Ed Schröder and Robert Hyatt say 50-100 or more ELO ! Other programmers say not more than 50 ELO ! The second problem is the time controlling by ponder=off ! The engines calculate ponder hits and without ponder hits is the time controlling not correct. But I see not problems and think that is not more then 10-20 ELO by longer time controls.
Right is, that for engine-engine matches are two computer better. And when Ed wrote that matches on one PC are the Formel 2 is this (unfortunately) right.
I like good Formel 2 race !
Kind regards
Frank

Hallo Frank!
Jetzt hast du endlich die richtige Einstellung zu der ganzen Ponder Sache
Gelassen nehmen, durchatmen, und die tolle Arbeit weitermachen!!!

Dennoch bin ich ja der Meinung ...
Du kennst diese ja )
Wenn ich dann lese 100 ELO muß ich wirklich durchatmen
Liebe Grüße
Frank