Time problem for LG on fast time controls?

[Volker Pittlik]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Volker Pittlik at 28 June 2000 17:49:47:
System: PIII 450,NT 4.0, ponder off, 32 MB hash
LG was using it's own (large) book.
Crafty was using a book created from "The Week in Chess" 254-289.
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VPittlik"]
[Date "2000.06.28"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Crafty1711_nalimov"]
[Black "LG2000V28"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "120"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Nbd7 6. Nf3 Be7 7. Nxf6+
Bxf6 8. h4 O-O 9. Qe2 h6 10. Bxf6 Nxf6 11. O-O-O b6 12. Rh3 Bb7 13. Ne5 h5
14. Kb1 a5 15. Qe3 a4 16. Rg3 Ne4 17. Rh3 a3 18. bxa3 Nd6 19. Bd3 f6 20.
Nf3 Bd5 21. Rg3 Kh8 22. Rg6 Qd7 23. Kb2 Qa4 24. Ka1 Rf7 25. Qc1 Bxf3 26.
gxf3 Qxd4+ 27. Kb1 Qxf2 28. Rdg1 Kg8 29. Qh6 Ne8 30. Bb5 Kf8 31. Qh8+ Ke7
32. Rd1 Rd8 33. Rxd8 Qe1+ 34. Kb2 Qe5+ 35. Kc1 Qe3+ 36. Rd2 Qxa3+ 37. Kd1
Qxf3+ 38. Re2 Rf8 39. Rxg7+ Nxg7 40. Qxg7+ Rf7 41. Qg2 Qxg2 42. Rxg2 Kd6
43. Rg6 Kc5 44. Be2 Rd7+ 45. Kc1 Rd4 46. Rxf6 Rxh4 47. Rxe6 Rh2 48. Bf3 Kd4
49. Rc6 h4 50. Rxc7 Ke5 51. Rb7 Rf2 52. Bc6 h3 53. Rxb6 Rf1+ 54. Kd2 h2 55.
a4 Ra1 56. a5 Rxa5 57. Bg2 Kf4 58. Rh6 Kg3 59. Bh1 Ra1 60. Bd5 Ra3 61. c4
Kf4 62. c5 Ra5 63. Rxh2 Rxc5 64. Rh5 Rb5 65. Kd3 Rb1 66. Be6 Rd1+ 67. Ke2
Rc1 68. Kd2 Rb1 69. Ra5 Rb6 70. Bf5 Rc6 71. Bd3 Re6 72. Bh7 Re7 73. Bc2 Rf7
74. Ke2 Re7+ 75. Kf2 Re6 76. Rf5+ Kg4 77. Bd3 Re7 78. Bc2 Re6 79. Bd3 Re7
80. Kf1 Rd7 81. Bc2 Rd2 82. Rc5 Kf4 83. Kg1 Re2 84. Bd3 Rd2 85. Bh7 Ke3 86.
Rc4 Rd7 87. Bg6 Rd4 88. Rc3+ Ke2 89. Bf5 Rd5 90. Bg4+ Kd2 91. Rh3 Rd4 92.
Bf5 Rf4 93. Bh7 Ke2 94. Bd3+ Kd2 95. Bb1 Ke2 96. Bd3+ Kd2 97. Bb1 Ke2 98.
Rb3 Rf2 99. Rb2+ Ke3 100. Rxf2 Kd4 101. Rf5 Kc4 102. Kf2 Kd4 103. Bc2 Kc3
104. Ke2 Kxc2 105. Rf3
{White wins on time} 1-0
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VPittlik"]
[Date "2000.06.28"]
[Round "2"]
[White "LG2000V28"]
[Black "Crafty1711_nalimov"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "120"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bb5+ Bd7 4. Qe2 Bxb5 5. Qxb5+ Qd7 6. Qc4 e6 7. O-O
Nc6 8. Re1 O-O-O 9. Qc3 d5 10. exd5 Qxd5 11. d3 Nf6 12. a4 Qf5 13. Qc4 Nd4
14. Nbd2 Kb8 15. Ne5 Nd5 16. Nb3 Nb6 17. Qc3 Be7 18. a5 Nb5 19. Qd2 Nd7 20.
Qf4 Qxf4 21. Bxf4 Nxe5 22. Bxe5+ Kc8 23. Bxg7 Rhg8 24. Be5 Nc7 25. h3 Rg6
26. Ra4 Rdg8 27. g3 Na6 28. Rc4 Rh6 29. Kg2 Rh4 30. Rxh4 Bxh4 31. c3 Kd7
32. Nd2 Bd8 33. Nc4 f6 34. Bf4 Nc7 35. Bd6 b5 36. axb6 axb6 37. Bxc7 Bxc7
38. Ra1 h5 39. Ra6 Rb8 40. f4 b5 41. Nd2 f5 42. Nb3 Bb6 43. Kf3 Kc7 44. c4
Rd8 45. Nc1 bxc4 46. dxc4 Rd1 47. Ra1 Rf1+ 48. Kg2 Rd1 49. Nb3 Rd3 50. Ra3
Kd6 51. Kf2 h4 52. Nc1 Rd2+ 53. Kf3 Rh2 54. Rd3+ Ke7 55. Rb3 Bc7 56. Rb5
Rxh3 57. Ne2 hxg3 58. Rxc5 Bb6 59. Rc6 Bf2 60. b4 Rh8 61. c5 Rg8 62. Rc7+
Kf6 63. Kg2 Be1 64. b5 Rd8 65. Kf1 Rd1 66. b6 Ba5+ 67. Kg2 Rd2 68. Ra7
Rxe2+ 69. Kxg3 Be1+ 70. Kf3 Rf2+ 71. Ke3 Rb2 72. Kd3 Bg3 73. Ra4 Bf2 74.
Kc3 Rb5 75. Ra2 Be3 76. Ra4 Bf2 77. Ra2 Be3 78. Ra4 Rxc5+ 79. Kd3 Bf2 80.
Rb4 Rc8 81. Ke2 Bg1 82. Rb1 Bh2 83. b7 Rb8 84. Kf3 e5 85. fxe5+ Bxe5 86.
Rb6+ Ke7 87. Ke3 Kd7 88. Kf3 Bc7 89. Rb5 f4 90. Rb1 Kc6 91. Kf2 Rxb7
{Black wins on time} 0-1
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VPittlik"]
[Date "2000.06.28"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Crafty1711_nalimov"]
[Black "LG2000V28"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "120"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nbd7 5. Bc4 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. Re1 a6 8.
a4 b6 9. Nd5 c6 10. Nxe7+ Qxe7 11. h3 exd4 12. Qxd4 c5 13. Qd3 Bb7 14. Bd5
Nxd5 15. exd5 Qd8 16. Bf4 Nf6 17. c4 h6 18. Re2 Re8 19. Rxe8+ Nxe8 20. Re1
Nf6 21. Qe2 Qd7 22. Qe7 Rd8 23. Bxd6 Bxd5 24. Bc7 Rc8 25. Qxd7 Nxd7 26.
cxd5 Rxc7 27. Re8+ Kh7 28. Re7 f6 29. Nh4 h5 30. Nf5 Kg6 31. Nxg7 Ra7 32.
Ne6 Kf5 33. Nf8 Nxf8 34. Rxa7 b5 35. Rf7 Ng6 36. d6 Ne5 37. Re7 Nd7 38. g4+
{Black resigns} 1-0
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VPittlik"]
[Date "2000.06.28"]
[Round "4"]
[White "LG2000V28"]
[Black "Crafty1711_nalimov"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "120"]
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. d4 b6 4. Nc3 Bb7 5. a3 d5 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. e3 c5 8.
Bb5+ Bc6 9. Bxc6+ Nxc6 10. O-O Nxc3 11. bxc3 Rc8 12. e4 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bd6
14. d5 exd5 15. exd5 Ne7 16. Bb2 O-O 17. Qd4 Nf5 18. Qe4 Ne7 19. Rad1 Re8
20. Rfe1 Qd7 21. Qd3 Ng6 22. g3 Qg4 23. Nd4 Ne5 24. Qb3 Qh5 25. Qa4 Re7 26.
Rc1 Rce8 27. f4 Ng4 28. Qxe8+ Rxe8 29. Rxe8+ Bf8 30. Nf3 Nf6 31. Bxf6 gxf6
32. d6 Qd5 33. d7 Qxd7 34. Rcc8 Qd6 35. Rxf8+ Qxf8 36. Rxf8+ Kxf8 37. Nd4
a5 38. a4 Ke7 39. Nb5 Ke6 40. Nc3 Kd6 41. Kf2 f5 42. Ke3 Kc5 43. Kd3 Kb4
44. Kd4 Kb3 45. h3 Kb4 46. g4 fxg4 47. hxg4 Kb3 48. g5 Kb4 49. f5 Kb3 50.
Nb5 Kb4 51. Nd6 Kxa4 52. Nxf7 Kb3 53. g6 hxg6 54. fxg6 b5 55. g7 b4 56.
g8=Q Kc2 57. Qg2+ Kb1 58. Qd2 Ka1 59. Ne5 a4 60. Nd3 a3 61. Qc2 b3 62. Qc1+
Ka2 63. Nb4#
{White mates} 1-0
Volker

[Aaron]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Aaron at 28 June 2000 17:57:10:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Time problem for LG on fast time controls? geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 28 June 2000 17:49:47:

System: PIII 450,NT 4.0, ponder off, 32 MB hash
LG was using it's own (large) book.
Crafty was using a book created from "The Week in Chess" 254-289.
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VPittlik"]
[Date "2000.06.28"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Crafty1711_nalimov"]
[Black "LG2000V28"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "120"]

Is that 2 minutes games? yes..Goliath always has problems with short time problems..
I observe this even at 5 minutes..At 2 minutes i suppose it oversteps the time limit even more..
That's why I think for 5 minutes games, Goliath is slightly behind Crafty which never loses on time..Same for Yace I think..

[Morbius]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Morbius at 28 June 2000 18:26:02:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Time problem for LG on fast time controls? geschrieben von: / posted by: Volker Pittlik at 28 June 2000 17:49:47:
Is it really a problem??? I would say losing on time in a 2 minute game on move 105 in one game and move 91 on another game really isnt that bad. Those are alot of moves in a short game.

System: PIII 450,NT 4.0, ponder off, 32 MB hash
LG was using it's own (large) book.
Crafty was using a book created from "The Week in Chess" 254-289.
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VPittlik"]
[Date "2000.06.28"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Crafty1711_nalimov"]
[Black "LG2000V28"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "120"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bg5 dxe4 5. Nxe4 Nbd7 6. Nf3 Be7 7. Nxf6+
Bxf6 8. h4 O-O 9. Qe2 h6 10. Bxf6 Nxf6 11. O-O-O b6 12. Rh3 Bb7 13. Ne5 h5
14. Kb1 a5 15. Qe3 a4 16. Rg3 Ne4 17. Rh3 a3 18. bxa3 Nd6 19. Bd3 f6 20.
Nf3 Bd5 21. Rg3 Kh8 22. Rg6 Qd7 23. Kb2 Qa4 24. Ka1 Rf7 25. Qc1 Bxf3 26.
gxf3 Qxd4+ 27. Kb1 Qxf2 28. Rdg1 Kg8 29. Qh6 Ne8 30. Bb5 Kf8 31. Qh8+ Ke7
32. Rd1 Rd8 33. Rxd8 Qe1+ 34. Kb2 Qe5+ 35. Kc1 Qe3+ 36. Rd2 Qxa3+ 37. Kd1
Qxf3+ 38. Re2 Rf8 39. Rxg7+ Nxg7 40. Qxg7+ Rf7 41. Qg2 Qxg2 42. Rxg2 Kd6
43. Rg6 Kc5 44. Be2 Rd7+ 45. Kc1 Rd4 46. Rxf6 Rxh4 47. Rxe6 Rh2 48. Bf3 Kd4
49. Rc6 h4 50. Rxc7 Ke5 51. Rb7 Rf2 52. Bc6 h3 53. Rxb6 Rf1+ 54. Kd2 h2 55.
a4 Ra1 56. a5 Rxa5 57. Bg2 Kf4 58. Rh6 Kg3 59. Bh1 Ra1 60. Bd5 Ra3 61. c4
Kf4 62. c5 Ra5 63. Rxh2 Rxc5 64. Rh5 Rb5 65. Kd3 Rb1 66. Be6 Rd1+ 67. Ke2
Rc1 68. Kd2 Rb1 69. Ra5 Rb6 70. Bf5 Rc6 71. Bd3 Re6 72. Bh7 Re7 73. Bc2 Rf7
74. Ke2 Re7+ 75. Kf2 Re6 76. Rf5+ Kg4 77. Bd3 Re7 78. Bc2 Re6 79. Bd3 Re7
80. Kf1 Rd7 81. Bc2 Rd2 82. Rc5 Kf4 83. Kg1 Re2 84. Bd3 Rd2 85. Bh7 Ke3 86.
Rc4 Rd7 87. Bg6 Rd4 88. Rc3+ Ke2 89. Bf5 Rd5 90. Bg4+ Kd2 91. Rh3 Rd4 92.
Bf5 Rf4 93. Bh7 Ke2 94. Bd3+ Kd2 95. Bb1 Ke2 96. Bd3+ Kd2 97. Bb1 Ke2 98.
Rb3 Rf2 99. Rb2+ Ke3 100. Rxf2 Kd4 101. Rf5 Kc4 102. Kf2 Kd4 103. Bc2 Kc3
104. Ke2 Kxc2 105. Rf3
{White wins on time} 1-0
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VPittlik"]
[Date "2000.06.28"]
[Round "2"]
[White "LG2000V28"]
[Black "Crafty1711_nalimov"]
[Result "0-1"]
[TimeControl "120"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. Bb5+ Bd7 4. Qe2 Bxb5 5. Qxb5+ Qd7 6. Qc4 e6 7. O-O
Nc6 8. Re1 O-O-O 9. Qc3 d5 10. exd5 Qxd5 11. d3 Nf6 12. a4 Qf5 13. Qc4 Nd4
14. Nbd2 Kb8 15. Ne5 Nd5 16. Nb3 Nb6 17. Qc3 Be7 18. a5 Nb5 19. Qd2 Nd7 20.
Qf4 Qxf4 21. Bxf4 Nxe5 22. Bxe5+ Kc8 23. Bxg7 Rhg8 24. Be5 Nc7 25. h3 Rg6
26. Ra4 Rdg8 27. g3 Na6 28. Rc4 Rh6 29. Kg2 Rh4 30. Rxh4 Bxh4 31. c3 Kd7
32. Nd2 Bd8 33. Nc4 f6 34. Bf4 Nc7 35. Bd6 b5 36. axb6 axb6 37. Bxc7 Bxc7
38. Ra1 h5 39. Ra6 Rb8 40. f4 b5 41. Nd2 f5 42. Nb3 Bb6 43. Kf3 Kc7 44. c4
Rd8 45. Nc1 bxc4 46. dxc4 Rd1 47. Ra1 Rf1+ 48. Kg2 Rd1 49. Nb3 Rd3 50. Ra3
Kd6 51. Kf2 h4 52. Nc1 Rd2+ 53. Kf3 Rh2 54. Rd3+ Ke7 55. Rb3 Bc7 56. Rb5
Rxh3 57. Ne2 hxg3 58. Rxc5 Bb6 59. Rc6 Bf2 60. b4 Rh8 61. c5 Rg8 62. Rc7+
Kf6 63. Kg2 Be1 64. b5 Rd8 65. Kf1 Rd1 66. b6 Ba5+ 67. Kg2 Rd2 68. Ra7
Rxe2+ 69. Kxg3 Be1+ 70. Kf3 Rf2+ 71. Ke3 Rb2 72. Kd3 Bg3 73. Ra4 Bf2 74.
Kc3 Rb5 75. Ra2 Be3 76. Ra4 Bf2 77. Ra2 Be3 78. Ra4 Rxc5+ 79. Kd3 Bf2 80.
Rb4 Rc8 81. Ke2 Bg1 82. Rb1 Bh2 83. b7 Rb8 84. Kf3 e5 85. fxe5+ Bxe5 86.
Rb6+ Ke7 87. Ke3 Kd7 88. Kf3 Bc7 89. Rb5 f4 90. Rb1 Kc6 91. Kf2 Rxb7
{Black wins on time} 0-1
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VPittlik"]
[Date "2000.06.28"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Crafty1711_nalimov"]
[Black "LG2000V28"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "120"]
1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 Nf6 4. Nc3 Nbd7 5. Bc4 Be7 6. O-O O-O 7. Re1 a6 8.
a4 b6 9. Nd5 c6 10. Nxe7+ Qxe7 11. h3 exd4 12. Qxd4 c5 13. Qd3 Bb7 14. Bd5
Nxd5 15. exd5 Qd8 16. Bf4 Nf6 17. c4 h6 18. Re2 Re8 19. Rxe8+ Nxe8 20. Re1
Nf6 21. Qe2 Qd7 22. Qe7 Rd8 23. Bxd6 Bxd5 24. Bc7 Rc8 25. Qxd7 Nxd7 26.
cxd5 Rxc7 27. Re8+ Kh7 28. Re7 f6 29. Nh4 h5 30. Nf5 Kg6 31. Nxg7 Ra7 32.
Ne6 Kf5 33. Nf8 Nxf8 34. Rxa7 b5 35. Rf7 Ng6 36. d6 Ne5 37. Re7 Nd7 38. g4+
{Black resigns} 1-0
[Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "VPittlik"]
[Date "2000.06.28"]
[Round "4"]
[White "LG2000V28"]
[Black "Crafty1711_nalimov"]
[Result "1-0"]
[TimeControl "120"]
1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 e6 3. d4 b6 4. Nc3 Bb7 5. a3 d5 6. cxd5 Nxd5 7. e3 c5 8.
Bb5+ Bc6 9. Bxc6+ Nxc6 10. O-O Nxc3 11. bxc3 Rc8 12. e4 cxd4 13. cxd4 Bd6
14. d5 exd5 15. exd5 Ne7 16. Bb2 O-O 17. Qd4 Nf5 18. Qe4 Ne7 19. Rad1 Re8
20. Rfe1 Qd7 21. Qd3 Ng6 22. g3 Qg4 23. Nd4 Ne5 24. Qb3 Qh5 25. Qa4 Re7 26.
Rc1 Rce8 27. f4 Ng4 28. Qxe8+ Rxe8 29. Rxe8+ Bf8 30. Nf3 Nf6 31. Bxf6 gxf6
32. d6 Qd5 33. d7 Qxd7 34. Rcc8 Qd6 35. Rxf8+ Qxf8 36. Rxf8+ Kxf8 37. Nd4
a5 38. a4 Ke7 39. Nb5 Ke6 40. Nc3 Kd6 41. Kf2 f5 42. Ke3 Kc5 43. Kd3 Kb4
44. Kd4 Kb3 45. h3 Kb4 46. g4 fxg4 47. hxg4 Kb3 48. g5 Kb4 49. f5 Kb3 50.
Nb5 Kb4 51. Nd6 Kxa4 52. Nxf7 Kb3 53. g6 hxg6 54. fxg6 b5 55. g7 b4 56.
g8=Q Kc2 57. Qg2+ Kb1 58. Qd2 Ka1 59. Ne5 a4 60. Nd3 a3 61. Qc2 b3 62. Qc1+
Ka2 63. Nb4#
{White mates} 1-0
Volker

[Aaron]

Geschrieben von: / Posted by: Aaron at 28 June 2000 18:46:02:
Als Antwort auf: / As an answer to: Re: Time problem for LG on fast time controls? geschrieben von: / posted by: Morbius at 28 June 2000 18:26:02:

Is it really a problem??? I would say losing on time in a 2 minute game on >move 105 in one game and move 91 on another game really isnt that bad. Those >are alot of moves in a short game.

You might be right..But it's rare for chess engines to lose on time, even at short time controls..Crafty for instant..
But logic sugguests that when Crafty vers Crafty eventually someone has to either lose on time, or end the game in mate,draw or stalemate..
Or can crafty play moves taking 0 seconds?