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by **Carlos E.A. Drake** » 18 Dec 1999, 14:34

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Carlos E.A. Drake am 18. Dezember 1999 14:34:42:
What's the matter about LA PETITE? Is a clon of CRAFTY? Nobody test it? Nobody talk about it. The mine ever play more slow and bad than CRAFTY. And Dr. Muller, nobody chat about it?
Carlos

by **José Carlos** » 18 Dec 1999, 16:01

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: José Carlos am 18. Dezember 1999 16:01:49:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: LA PETITE ?? geschrieben von:/posted by: Carlos E.A. Drake am 18. Dezember 1999 14:34:42:

What's the matter about LA PETITE? Is a clon of CRAFTY? Nobody test it? Nobody talk about it. The mine ever play more slow and bad than CRAFTY. And Dr. Muller, nobody chat about it?
Carlos

En su momento se habló mucho sobre el tema. Comprobando los strings del programa, Bob pareció demostrar que se trataba de un Crafty modificado, y el autor le dijo a Frank que retirase el programa de su página.
Hubo discusiones y, finalmente, las aguas se calmaron y la gente se fue olvidando del tema...
José C.

by **Pete P** » 18 Dec 1999, 16:37

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Pete P am 18. Dezember 1999 16:37:16:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: LA PETITE ?? geschrieben von:/posted by: José Carlos am 18. Dezember 1999 16:01:49:

What's the matter about LA PETITE? Is a clon of CRAFTY? Nobody test it? Nobody talk about it. The mine ever play more slow and bad than CRAFTY. And Dr. Muller, nobody chat about it?
Carlos
En su momento se habló mucho sobre el tema. Comprobando los strings del programa, Bob pareció demostrar que se trataba de un Crafty modificado, y el autor le dijo a Frank que retirase el programa de su página.
Hubo discusiones y, finalmente, las aguas se calmaron y la gente se fue olvidando del tema...
José C.

I don't know what all the Hoopla is about. I was one of the first people to download La Petite when it first became available. I know that it is mostly based on Dr.Hyatt's Crafty, due to the fact that certain people with much greater chess programming skill and knowledge than I, have stated so in this, and other forums. But, this does not take away the enjoyment that I get from playing against it, and from pitting it against other chess engines. It most definately has one of the most Unique playing styles around. Very aggressive and enterprosing.
Pete P

by **Pete Galati** » 18 Dec 1999, 18:13

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Pete Galati am 18. Dezember 1999 18:13:23:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: LA PETITE ?? geschrieben von:/posted by: Pete P am 18. Dezember 1999 16:37:16:

What's the matter about LA PETITE? Is a clon of CRAFTY? Nobody test it? Nobody talk about it. The mine ever play more slow and bad than CRAFTY. And Dr. Muller, nobody chat about it?
Carlos
En su momento se habló mucho sobre el tema. Comprobando los strings del programa, Bob pareció demostrar que se trataba de un Crafty modificado, y el autor le dijo a Frank que retirase el programa de su página.
Hubo discusiones y, finalmente, las aguas se calmaron y la gente se fue olvidando del tema...
José C.
I don't know what all the Hoopla is about. I was one of the first people to download La Petite when it first became available. I know that it is mostly based on Dr.Hyatt's Crafty, due to the fact that certain people with much greater chess programming skill and knowledge than I, have stated so in this, and other forums. But, this does not take away the enjoyment that I get from playing against it, and from pitting it against other chess engines. It most definately has one of the most Unique playing styles around. Very aggressive and enterprosing.
Pete P

I think that this hits a sore spot with Dr. Hyatt because it was his work and he was not being given credit for it by LaPetite's programmer, and there was a history behind this because of another Crafty clone by LaPetite's programmer.
So Bob speaks up and says, hey look, this is _my_ program, so I looked a little bit closer, and yes, it was Bob's program. So when I see this, then I have to agree and say that it's Crafty and speak up, and the problem is more complex than it _just_ being based on Crafty, it's partly that Bob is not being acknowlaged as the programmer, and that LaPetite's programmer was planning to release a commercial program too, and I think we pretty much know that it would have been very heavily based on Crafty.
Pete

by **Pete P** » 18 Dec 1999, 18:59

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Pete P am 18. Dezember 1999 18:59:36:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: LA PETITE ?? geschrieben von:/posted by: Pete Galati am 18. Dezember 1999 18:13:23:

What's the matter about LA PETITE? Is a clon of CRAFTY? Nobody test it? Nobody talk about it. The mine ever play more slow and bad than CRAFTY. And Dr. Muller, nobody chat about it?
Carlos
En su momento se habló mucho sobre el tema. Comprobando los strings del programa, Bob pareció demostrar que se trataba de un Crafty modificado, y el autor le dijo a Frank que retirase el programa de su página.
Hubo discusiones y, finalmente, las aguas se calmaron y la gente se fue olvidando del tema...
José C.
I don't know what all the Hoopla is about. I was one of the first people to download La Petite when it first became available. I know that it is mostly based on Dr.Hyatt's Crafty, due to the fact that certain people with much greater chess programming skill and knowledge than I, have stated so in this, and other forums. But, this does not take away the enjoyment that I get from playing against it, and from pitting it against other chess engines. It most definately has one of the most Unique playing styles around. Very aggressive and enterprosing.
Pete P
I think that this hits a sore spot with Dr. Hyatt because it was his work and he was not being given credit for it by LaPetite's programmer, and there was a history behind this because of another Crafty clone by LaPetite's programmer.
So Bob speaks up and says, hey look, this is _my_ program, so I looked a little bit closer, and yes, it was Bob's program. So when I see this, then I have to agree and say that it's Crafty and speak up, and the problem is more complex than it _just_ being based on Crafty, it's partly that Bob is not being acknowlaged as the programmer, and that LaPetite's programmer was planning to release a commercial program too, and I think we pretty much know that it would have been very heavily based on Crafty.
Pete

Oh...so that is the story behind LaPetite. I did not know the details. Thank you for pointing them out. It is a big shame that Dr. Muller did not aknowledge Dr. Hyatt as the main creator/author of her version of Crafty. I believe she made some interesting modifications to Crafty, so as to allow it to play differently.
Everyone would have been much happier, I believe, if she gave credit where credit was due. As far as going commercial with a product that was not hers, THAT is most definately not acceptable and against the law.
Pete P

by CL » 19 Dec 1999, 12:20

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: CL am 19. Dezember 1999 12:20:31:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: LA PETITE ?? geschrieben von:/posted by: Pete P am 18. Dezember 1999 18:59:36:

What's the matter about LA PETITE? Is a clon of CRAFTY? Nobody test it? Nobody talk about it. The mine ever play more slow and bad than CRAFTY. And Dr. Muller, nobody chat about it?
Carlos
En su momento se habló mucho sobre el tema. Comprobando los strings del programa, Bob pareció demostrar que se trataba de un Crafty modificado, y el autor le dijo a Frank que retirase el programa de su página.
Hubo discusiones y, finalmente, las aguas se calmaron y la gente se fue olvidando del tema...
José C.
I don't know what all the Hoopla is about. I was one of the first people to download La Petite when it first became available. I know that it is mostly based on Dr.Hyatt's Crafty, due to the fact that certain people with much greater chess programming skill and knowledge than I, have stated so in this, and other forums. But, this does not take away the enjoyment that I get from playing against it, and from pitting it against other chess engines. It most definately has one of the most Unique playing styles around. Very aggressive and enterprosing.
Pete P
I think that this hits a sore spot with Dr. Hyatt because it was his work and he was not being given credit for it by LaPetite's programmer, and there was a history behind this because of another Crafty clone by LaPetite's programmer.
So Bob speaks up and says, hey look, this is _my_ program, so I looked a little bit closer, and yes, it was Bob's program. So when I see this, then I have to agree and say that it's Crafty and speak up, and the problem is more complex than it _just_ being based on Crafty, it's partly that Bob is not being acknowlaged as the programmer, and that LaPetite's programmer was planning to release a commercial program too, and I think we pretty much know that it would have been very heavily based on Crafty.
Pete
Oh...so that is the story behind LaPetite. I did not know the details. Thank you for pointing them out. It is a big shame that Dr. Muller did not aknowledge Dr. Hyatt as the main creator/author of her version of Crafty. I believe she made some interesting modifications to Crafty, so as to allow it to play differently.
Everyone would have been much happier, I believe, if she gave credit where credit was due. As far as going commercial with a product that was not hers, THAT is most definately not acceptable and against the law.
Pete P

La Petite was yesterday.
There is a new better engine of G. Mueller called caissa. Much stronger and
with no crafy code anymore (I checked it myself as far as possible).
More risky and very enteraining style. For now it is only running under
fritz, because GM won´t use the crafty-winboard-communication code
anymore (as a result of this discussion).
Christian

by **Alexandre Côme** » 19 Dec 1999, 13:22

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Alexandre Côme am 19. Dezember 1999 13:22:07:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: LA PETITE ?? geschrieben von:/posted by: CL am 19. Dezember 1999 12:20:31:

What's the matter about LA PETITE? Is a clon of CRAFTY? Nobody test it? Nobody talk about it. The mine ever play more slow and bad than CRAFTY. And Dr. Muller, nobody chat about it?
Carlos
En su momento se habló mucho sobre el tema. Comprobando los strings del programa, Bob pareció demostrar que se trataba de un Crafty modificado, y el autor le dijo a Frank que retirase el programa de su página.
Hubo discusiones y, finalmente, las aguas se calmaron y la gente se fue olvidando del tema...
José C.
I don't know what all the Hoopla is about. I was one of the first people to download La Petite when it first became available. I know that it is mostly based on Dr.Hyatt's Crafty, due to the fact that certain people with much greater chess programming skill and knowledge than I, have stated so in this, and other forums. But, this does not take away the enjoyment that I get from playing against it, and from pitting it against other chess engines. It most definately has one of the most Unique playing styles around. Very aggressive and enterprosing.
Pete P
I think that this hits a sore spot with Dr. Hyatt because it was his work and he was not being given credit for it by LaPetite's programmer, and there was a history behind this because of another Crafty clone by LaPetite's programmer.
So Bob speaks up and says, hey look, this is _my_ program, so I looked a little bit closer, and yes, it was Bob's program. So when I see this, then I have to agree and say that it's Crafty and speak up, and the problem is more complex than it _just_ being based on Crafty, it's partly that Bob is not being acknowlaged as the programmer, and that LaPetite's programmer was planning to release a commercial program too, and I think we pretty much know that it would have been very heavily based on Crafty.
Pete
Oh...so that is the story behind LaPetite. I did not know the details. Thank you for pointing them out. It is a big shame that Dr. Muller did not aknowledge Dr. Hyatt as the main creator/author of her version of Crafty. I believe she made some interesting modifications to Crafty, so as to allow it to play differently.
Everyone would have been much happier, I believe, if she gave credit where credit was due. As far as going commercial with a product that was not hers, THAT is most definately not acceptable and against the law.
Pete P
La Petite was yesterday.
There is a new better engine of G. Mueller called caissa. Much stronger and
with no crafy code anymore (I checked it myself as far as possible).
More risky and very enteraining style. For now it is only running under
fritz, because GM won´t use the crafty-winboard-communication code
anymore (as a result of this discussion).
Christian

Hello Christian,
Does caissa will be available for fownload?
Best Regards
Alexandre Côme

by CL » 19 Dec 1999, 16:04

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: CL am 19. Dezember 1999 16:04:54:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: LA PETITE ?? geschrieben von:/posted by: Alexandre Côme am 19. Dezember 1999 13:22:07:

What's the matter about LA PETITE? Is a clon of CRAFTY? Nobody test it? Nobody talk about it. The mine ever play more slow and bad than CRAFTY. And Dr. Muller, nobody chat about it?
Carlos
En su momento se habló mucho sobre el tema. Comprobando los strings del programa, Bob pareció demostrar que se trataba de un Crafty modificado, y el autor le dijo a Frank que retirase el programa de su página.
Hubo discusiones y, finalmente, las aguas se calmaron y la gente se fue olvidando del tema...
José C.
I don't know what all the Hoopla is about. I was one of the first people to download La Petite when it first became available. I know that it is mostly based on Dr.Hyatt's Crafty, due to the fact that certain people with much greater chess programming skill and knowledge than I, have stated so in this, and other forums. But, this does not take away the enjoyment that I get from playing against it, and from pitting it against other chess engines. It most definately has one of the most Unique playing styles around. Very aggressive and enterprosing.
Pete P
I think that this hits a sore spot with Dr. Hyatt because it was his work and he was not being given credit for it by LaPetite's programmer, and there was a history behind this because of another Crafty clone by LaPetite's programmer.
So Bob speaks up and says, hey look, this is _my_ program, so I looked a little bit closer, and yes, it was Bob's program. So when I see this, then I have to agree and say that it's Crafty and speak up, and the problem is more complex than it _just_ being based on Crafty, it's partly that Bob is not being acknowlaged as the programmer, and that LaPetite's programmer was planning to release a commercial program too, and I think we pretty much know that it would have been very heavily based on Crafty.
Pete
Oh...so that is the story behind LaPetite. I did not know the details. Thank you for pointing them out. It is a big shame that Dr. Muller did not aknowledge Dr. Hyatt as the main creator/author of her version of Crafty. I believe she made some interesting modifications to Crafty, so as to allow it to play differently.
Everyone would have been much happier, I believe, if she gave credit where credit was due. As far as going commercial with a product that was not hers, THAT is most definately not acceptable and against the law.
Pete P
La Petite was yesterday.
There is a new better engine of G. Mueller called caissa. Much stronger and
with no crafy code anymore (I checked it myself as far as possible).
More risky and very enteraining style. For now it is only running under
fritz, because GM won´t use the crafty-winboard-communication code
anymore (as a result of this discussion).
Christian

Hello Christian,
Does caissa will be available for fownload?
Best Regards
Alexandre Côme

Not yet. GM has learned her lesson.
Regards
Christian

by **Frank Quisinsky** » 19 Dec 1999, 18:44

Geschrieben von:/Posted by: Frank Quisinsky am 19. Dezember 1999 18:44:37:
Als Antwort auf:/As an answer to: Re: LA PETITE ?? geschrieben von:/posted by: CL am 19. Dezember 1999 16:04:54:
Hello Christian,

Not yet. GM has learned her lesson.

And I learned my lesson !
Regards
Frank

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